Tidying up my new to me CB450K5

Well at least it was a functional modification and looks decent. I suppose you could pick up a couple of old school car coils or other aftermarket bike coils like those you're testing, might be cheaper but you'd need to make sure they are within spec range.
 
Ok, after installing new coils/plug wires, plugs and plug caps and setting the valve clearance .0015-.002, I am still having the same problem with the left cylinder misfiring after a few miles.

I noticed that the left cylinder exhaust pulse seems weaker that the right side.

Here are two videos showing the left cylinder misfire and the right cylinder running smoothly.

Left cylinder video

Right cylinder video

How do you test a tytronic EI to verify whether it is working properly?

Thanks for your input fellas.
 
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Based on the video of the left cylinder, I would connect a strobe timing light to that cylinder to verify that the spark is the cause. If it's a spark problem, the timing light should show the loss of spark coinciding with the engine miss.
 
Based on the video of the left cylinder, I would connect a strobe timing light to that cylinder to verify that the spark is the cause. If it's a spark problem, the timing light should show the loss of spark coinciding with the engine miss.
I tested with a timing light and the misfire IS picked up by the timing light pulses. I ohm'd out the new coils, wires, plug caps before installing, all were in spec. So...possible causes???

1. The EI (tytronic, I know from comments here that these are less than reliable). The one installed on my bike has a 2016 date code
2. combo regulator/rectifier?
3. head gasket?
4. other???

It seems there may be a heat element to the problem since it shows up only after riding a few miles. I really thought it would be the left plug cap because it was a complete open when I tested it.

One of these days I hope to give more than I take :oops:. Thank you all in advance for suggestions on where to go from here.
 
While working in an auto parts store for a number of years in the late 90s early 2000s we would see a lot of ignition modules and pick up coils that were heat sensitive and and would test good on our tester but fail on the vehicle after it was driven for a while so I would really suspect the tytronic. My 2 cents.
 
I tested with a timing light and the misfire IS picked up by the timing light pulses. I ohm'd out the new coils, wires, plug caps before installing, all were in spec. So...possible causes???

1. The EI (tytronic, I know from comments here that these are less than reliable). The one installed on my bike has a 2016 date code
My first guess based on anecdotal information
2. combo regulator/rectifier?
The issue would be battery voltage primarily, but the rec/reg unit could be the cause of that if you were having low battery issues. These engines run entirely on the battery at idle speed and low rpm, so if the battery is not strong (holds at least 12.6v static) then idling for a bit can cause the battery to droop below 12v and one coil get starved for power.
3. head gasket?
Honda head gaskets rarely actually leak compression, and usually when they do you actually hear the pressure escaping. When people less informed say they have a blown head gasket, they're usually talking about oil leaks and that does not affect the way the engine runs.
4. other???
Who knows?
It seems there may be a heat element to the problem since it shows up only after riding a few miles.
Still points to the Tytronic, one of the pickups could be failing under heat.
One of these days I hope to give more than I take :oops:. Thank you all in advance for suggestions on where to go from here.
Dude, this is why we're here, you'll have plenty of time down the road to worry about helping others as your experience grows and you see some of the same problems/symptoms and repairs again and again. That's part of what makes it easy for us because we often know right away what the problem is and how easily it's fixed. It's the long-winded typing that's a pain in the ass :ROFLMAO: but I can't use my phone (for talk to type) all the time because all my resources are on my computer and I'm feeble-eyed.
 
My first guess based on anecdotal information

The issue would be battery voltage primarily, but the rec/reg unit could be the cause of that if you were having low battery issues. These engines run entirely on the battery at idle speed and low rpm, so if the battery is not strong (holds at least 12.6v static) then idling for a bit can cause the battery to droop below 12v and one coil get starved for power.
Battery is fairly new, currently holding 12.78 static

Honda head gaskets rarely actually leak compression, and usually when they do you actually hear the pressure escaping. When people less informed say they have a blown head gasket, they're usually talking about oil leaks and that does not affect the way the engine runs.
No noise, check
Still points to the Tytronic, one of the pickups could be failing under heat.
My thinking too

It's the long-winded typing that's a pain in the ass :ROFLMAO: but I can't use my phone (for talk to type) all the time because all my resources are on my computer and I'm feeble-eyed.
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: ouch, got it. Less wind
 
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: ouch, got it. Less wind
Hey, nobody wants wind LOL but if it takes a long answer I'll be typing a long answer, because I hate short stories - quick and simple/basic answers more often than not create the need for more responses, details matter even if they do take time typing with 2 fingers and a thumb.
 
While working in an auto parts store for a number of years in the late 90s early 2000s we would see a lot of ignition modules and pick up coils that were heat sensitive and and would test good on our tester but fail on the vehicle after it was driven for a while so I would really suspect the tytronic. My 2 cents.
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crap! I broke one of my e-clips cleaning/lubing my mechanical advance. Anyone know where to purchase?

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I find the OEM clips to be difficult to work with and bought a pack of e-clips and a tool that make it easier to remove and install them. I am using 4.0mm clips on my advancer.

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This tool doesn't seem to work well with the OEM clips, but it works well with the clips from the kit.

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I find the OEM clips to be difficult to work with and bought a pack of e-clips and a tool that make it easier to remove and install them. I am using 4.0mm clips on my advancer.

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This tool doesn't seem to work well with the OEM clips, but it works well with the clips from the kit.

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Coo! Where did you buy them?
 
Ok, I converted back to points (much thanks Robman!).

Points are gapped correctly.

Following the FSM, This is where my points plate needs to be located in order for the light bulb to turn on when the LF mark is aligned on the compression stroke properly. It seems to me that the timing is far too retarded when compared to the relative location on the picture in the FSM?
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Also, I know I've read somewhere on here that there are there are three different advance mechanism p/n's for these bikes.
1. Are they forward/backward compatible?
2. Is there any significance to the p/n's on the back side That could contribute to how far retarded the points plate is? (see pic).
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Ok, I converted back to points (much thanks Robman!).
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Points are gapped correctly.
At what exactly? Because the gap changes everything.
Following the FSM, This is where my points plate needs to be located in order for the light bulb to turn on when the LF mark is aligned on the compression stroke properly. It seems to me that the timing is far too retarded when compared to the relative location on the picture in the FSM?
The picture of the points plate in the FSM is the base starting point, yes, the idea of which is to allow flat screwdriver movement for minor adjustments in both directions easily. If the points gaps are closer to .012" than .016" then the plate would have to be advanced more to compensate.
Also, I know I've read somewhere on here that there are there are three different advance mechanism p/n's for these bikes.
1. Are they forward/backward compatible?
AFAIK, yes
2. Is there any significance to the p/n's on the back side That could contribute to how far retarded the points plate is? (see pic).
The way to check that would be to compare the exact opening point of the points cam on each of them, relative to the locating pin slot.
 
YAHOOOO! So glad that worked for you and you are very welcome. Both my wife and I really enjoyed the chance to meet you and your lovely wife. Looking forward to next spring when we might have a chance to meet up for cup of coffee ride.
 
Couple more recent updates:

Tweaked the mechanical advance springs to correct the slight idle issue. Now it idles down to 1200 rpm like it should. Will eventually get a set of sx650 springs.

Added the rack/sissy bar. Hoping my bride will eventually want to ride with me. She did have me get a helmet for her, so I'm hopeful.

Before you ask...no the seat does not open, I think the rack was intended for the front opening seat. I worked around it by installing larger locking pins on the hinge side so I can grab them and pull the seat if I need to get under it. A little cumbersome but it works.

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It's a good fit despite not being seat-friendly, and the short backrest is the best combination of function without changing the look much. And the bike looks great. (y)
 
Quick question, my shifter has about .100 of play. Is that normal? Please see video below.
I would pull the front sprocket cover and make sure the large flat washer and circlip are in place over the seal on the shift shaft, looks like there's too much free movement for it to be in place. #2 and 12 below




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I would pull the front sprocket cover and make sure the large flat washer and circlip are in place over the seal on the shift shaft, looks like there's too much free movement for it to be in place. #2 and 12 below




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Thanks for the input. I did drop it on the left side the other day. Maybe it popped the circlip.
 
Pulled the sprocket cover and the circlip had popped out of its groove. all's good now (y)
The bigger concern is for the circlip groove and the integrity of the current circlip. Since it got pushed out of its groove, there could be a repeat of it with a lot less push inward. Did you take the circlip off and look for the squared edged side before putting it back in place? The rounded-edged side goes inward, squared edge outward.
 
The bigger concern is for the circlip groove and the integrity of the current circlip. Since it got pushed out of its groove, there could be a repeat of it with a lot less push inward. Did you take the circlip off and look for the squared edged side before putting it back in place? The rounded-edged side goes inward, squared edge outward.
I did not. That's a good point. I did squeeze it closed with snap ring pliers after it was back in its groove to make sure it wasn't sprung open, it seemed ok. easy enough to do it again.
 
If it does it again you might consider a fix that @EzPete come up with using a collar with a set screw. Here is the link:


Here is a link to a 12mm collar I found on Amazon if needed but I didn't order yet.

 
If it does it again you might consider a fix that @EzPete come up with using a collar with a set screw. Here is the link:


Here is a link to a 12mm collar I found on Amazon if needed but I didn't order yet.

Thanks Rob and EzPete!! I think I'll go ahead with that fix as a preemptive
 
Curious if anyone has any experience with this exhaust system? They have a US facility. I've talked to them about purchasing here and they never got back to me...not a good first impression. I'm curious about whether the center stand has to be removed and the oil drain plug is accessible???


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Never had one, but it seems from comments on their other version that comes with a turn-out muffler that the centerstand will not work with it, which also means it could make oil changes difficult too.
 
It seems all the aftermarket 2-1 exhaust systems exit on the right so the center stand no longer has a muffler to use as a stopper, result is stand rubbing on the chain. Have to make a stopper like the CB350 uses.
 
It seems all the aftermarket 2-1 exhaust systems exit on the right so the center stand no longer has a muffler to use as a stopper, result is stand rubbing on the chain. Have to make a stopper like the CB350 uses.
What does the CL450 use as a center stand stopper?

Maybe someone could post a pic of the CB350 stopper?

I've been thinking about fabricating some "non ugly" case guards similar to these. The header would clear space to attach them to the frame bolts easily. I had these on my KZ650 back in the day

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I should have added that the rubber bumper stops on the frame.
That's what I thought from the location of the bump stop. Of course it's a moot point if the header interferes with the center stand itself. I'll get a hold of them again and try to get a definitive answer on that and the oil plug issue.

Of course a set of CL450 pipes would solve the problem altogether. I'm sure a decent set of those are like hens teeth these days. And pretty pricey too. I always liked the look of the upswept pipes.
 
Of course a set of CL450 pipes would solve the problem altogether. I'm sure a decent set of those are like hens teeth these days. And pretty pricey too. I always liked the look of the upswept pipes.
And the best sounding version of them, from K1 to K4, are the hardest to find in decent, serviceable condition too, at a massive price. @Danager4792 managed to find an NOS set but paid handsomely for them.
 
And the best sounding version of them, from K1 to K4, are the hardest to find in decent, serviceable condition too, at a massive price. @Danager4792 managed to find an NOS set but paid handsomely for them.
I searched consistently for maybe a year. I saw a post in a FB group where a guy was selling NOS exhaust pieces from a pallet he had bought. $450 shipped I got the main piece, but I will need to transfer over the heat shield and buy new bolts etc.

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I know $450 is a chunk of change as we used to say but when something you need is literally unobtainable and looks that pretty then you just have to go for it! OK so we're eating crackers and Beanee Weenee's for the next month but totally worth it!
 
I searched consistently for maybe a year. I saw a post in a FB group where a guy was selling NOS exhaust pieces from a pallet he had bought. $450 shipped I got the main piece, but I will need to transfer over the heat shield and buy new bolts etc.

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Definitely beautiful but a little too costly for me at this point. Other maintenance items are higher on the priority list right now. Thanks for the eye-candy ;)
 
Weather here is beautiful!!! Currently rebuilding carbs and found my right float has a crack and gas inside. That's where gas in the oil was coming from. I've heard pros/cons of float quality purchased from different vendors. Looking for positive experiences on float quality???

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4into1 ones worked fine for me. With that era they're all pretty much decent - it's the later "plastic float" VB carbs that see massive differences between OEM and not.
 
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