93 Nighthawk 250 rattle/buzz Diagnosis?

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Hey everyone,

I have a Nighthawk 250 rattle/buzz that I'm having a hard time diagnosing. Here's the info:

1993 Nighthawk 250, 28,000 miles, owned for 5 years
Has been modified, after being rear ended while stopped (the end of the frame was bent so I chopped it off, added a hoop, custom seat, got a different tank.) After finishing the mod, I brought it to a shop to have the clutch plates replaced, as the clutch was starting to slip. I also had them replace the chain and sprockets, which needed to be done.

When I got it back, I noticed a rattle from the exhaust--this was just a worn gasket where they mount on the frame. I replaced that and while riding noticed a rattle coming from the left side of the engine, as best as I can tell. This is the rattle I'm unsure about.

It only happens in a specific window, when I'm at a mid-low rpm. I tried suspending the bike to get rear tire off the ground and run through the gears (is that bad?) but there was no rattle then. I checked the valves--only one was slightly off, which I adjusted. Could something with how the guys at the shop did the chain/sprockets have caused this?

I have also read it could be the cam chain, or perhaps part of the system? When do these parts usually go bad? I have not checked them and don't know if they have been checked/replaced. Is there a way to check without having to remove and disassemble the engine?

The video below has the bike idling so you can see it. Then it is audio only, that I got while riding. I have "rattle/buzz" text appear on screen when the sound I am talking about is most prominent.

I'd like to get some input before thinking I need to take the engine apart (which I've never done) or pay someone else to.


 
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I'm not the best at detecting sounds with the CI's but what I'm picking up sounds more high frequency like something is touching or a little loose like a heat shield.
 
… sounds more high frequency like something is touching or a little loose like a heat shield.
I agree; first thought was something is loose like a fastener somewhere. The sound frequency follows the engine speed, but doesn’t sound internal to my limited experience.
Maybe check your chain guard if they had the sprockets off?
Is it possible the chain/sprockets aren’t correctly aligned - as in the they are pushing/pulling against each other? A crude check could be visual; bike on center stand, kneel behind rear wheel and rotate it CCW while watching the chain and sprockets… the chain should be centered.


Tom - 1982 CM450E
 
Is it possible the chain/sprockets aren’t correctly aligned - as in the they are pushing/pulling against each other? A crude check could be visual; bike on center stand, kneel behind rear wheel and rotate it CCW while watching the chain and sprockets… the chain should be centered.


Tom - 1982 CM450E

You mean where the teeth fall on the chain links? It's subtle, but it does appear to not stay center. I took a photo of it at 2 different positions to try to capture it.

chainsprocket.jpg

While we are here I should mention my rear brake shoes need to be replaced. I should've had it done at the shop since I had them do the sprocket and chain, oh well.
I am guessing I'll have to make sure everything is aligned correctly after I do the brakes, right? So might as well do the brakes before trying to solve this?

Any suggestions for where to get brake shoes? Any tips for the process?
I've done front ones a while ago--I'm assuming this is similar, except of course detaching the chain, etc.
 
What have you checked or not checked for properly torqued fasteners?

Try the left side rear engine cover, it covers the front drive sprocket and is held on with 2 small bolts. They'd have removed it to replace your chain and sprockets, if it were loose it'd rattle.
 
You mean where the teeth fall on the chain links? It's subtle, but it does appear to not stay center. I took a photo of it at 2 different positions to try to capture it.


While we are here I should mention my rear brake shoes need to be replaced. I should've had it done at the shop since I had them do the sprocket and chain, oh well.
I am guessing I'll have to make sure everything is aligned correctly after I do the brakes, right? So might as well do the brakes before trying to solve this?

Any suggestions for where to get brake shoes? Any tips for the process?
I've done front ones a while ago--I'm assuming this is similar, except of course detaching the chain, etc.

Good picture of the chain alignment. You'll want to check the rear wheel alignment at the chain adjusters, though they are not always completely accurate so if you measure from the center of the swingarm pivot bolt to the center of the axle on each side you can be sure if the chain adjusters are accurate, and make a note of how much error there might be to help you when adjusting the chain.
 
I'd like to get some input before thinking I need to take the engine apart (which I've never done) or pay someone else to.

I’m retracting my chain questions for now as related to your noise, after listening to the video again. If your chain/sprocket is sliding or moving side to side you may have a balance or alignment issue considering the rear end collision; I’d definitely check it out.
Back to your buzz/rattle; as Alan said, check anything the shop may have had to take apart. Are you certain the exhaust you mentioned is fixed?

As far as rear brakes; if your front/rear are both drums, and you’ve done the front, the rear is very straightforward. Take your time and be sure you have all the parts, and in the correct order, when you remount the rear wheel. I’m not at my computer or I’d post the links, but find the thread here for “Arcing brakes” (pads to drum).
Also download and read the FSM (Factory Service Manual) for your bike. And the “New to You Old Bike Checklist”.

There are any number of parts suppliers:
https://4into1.com/
https://www.partzilla.com/
Local Honda dealer
https://www.chapmoto.com/
http://m.siriusconinc.com/
https://www.nospartsnow.com/
https://www.cmsnl.com/
I’m sure I’m missing a regular(s) that someone else will add.


Tom - 1982 CM450E
 
No real reason to have a shop do these things, if you've got a safe spot to work on stuff go for it. Knowing how to post photos and videos with your questions is valuable.
 
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