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May be a Hawk landing next week.....

britman said:
You can only eat port & beans and vienna sausage for so long...... Will let you know.......
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I suppose port would go okay with beans and vienna sausages, maybe have some cheese along with it.... might be a bit too fruity and sweet though :rolleyes:

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Seriously, here's hoping the pennies saved will help you bring back another great project!
 
Landed, titled as a 1965. Yes I know the chrome fenders do not belong, the wiring harness looks like Ray Charles did the work, missing a lot of little parts that cost beau-coup money, but it runs pretty well, has great compression and sports a clean title. Going to be hitting the sites for CL77 parts, "ie" the drive sprocket cover is missing number 11661268010, hard to find little bit and damn what prices they are asking if you locate one. Was a red bike at one time and both the speedo and tach are not currently working. Let the games begin, but damnit, I finally got a Hawk to complete the Holy Trinity in the land of 305's.........


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I don't really like how the casting looks on the engine cases from this era, but damn... The cooling fins. All the freaking cooling fins, there's just something about air cooled engines.
 
Question for the experts, in searching for the elusive drive sprocket cover I have discovered my kick start side cover has only only attachment hole, every cover I have located and the ones on my CL and CA77 all have two for screw attachment. I know the kick start side cover is a different beast for the CA but has mine been cut down, if so someone did a real good job. (Attaching a photo....) Also I may have located a pretty good parts stash for CL and CA parts fairly close to me. I am meeting with the seller this weekend and will share some pictures if the sale goes through. Any extras I won't be using I will post on this site, incase anybody else is looking.....

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Tear down has begun. I have bought the plastic bins, baggies, and magic markers. I figured out the kick side cover, it had been cut down and bugger welded to repair the giant crack running through it. I found a replacement on E bay, rare and costly, but I am sure this is just the beginning. The wiring is a total nightmare, but I did find out why the neutral light was not working, you have to have a switch in place. The initial plan is a stock paint scheme in either Planet Blue or Honda Red with Cloud Silver trim. There will be painted fenders and all the extra chrome will be gone. I will be trying to take it back to stock as close as possible. Since this is a keeper for me, I have decided to have the the motor gone through from top to bottom by a good friend who is a 305 guru, but not a free friend guru. The bike needs a lot, but this is my quest, or senility, or a combination of the two..............I have already decided if the mad money funds run out, I will sell one of my well used kidneys, but I will finish my "Hawk".......

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britman said:
Landed, titled as a 1965. Yes I know the chrome fenders do not belong, the wiring harness looks like Ray Charles did the work, missing a lot of little parts that cost beau-coup money, but it runs pretty well, has great compression and sports a clean title. Going to be hitting the sites for CL77 parts, "ie" the drive sprocket cover is missing number 11661268010, hard to find little bit and damn what prices they are asking if you locate one. Was a red bike at one time and both the speedo and tach are not currently working. Let the games begin, but damnit, I finally got a Hawk to complete the Holy Trinity in the land of 305's.........


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Try Bill Silver as he may have some parts he is willing to part with at more down to earth pricing. I know only too well how restoring these 305cc bikes can run into the thousands of dollars very quickly.
 
If there's a next time taking the engine out, you could remove a few boat anchors, like starter motor, generator and clutch. If you want to dissemble the engine further, it's wise to loosen nuts and bolts a bit when the engine is still in the frame.

Once, a wise man said, if it's too heavy to lift use tools to make it lighter (or ask a friend) ;)
 
Triple tree doesnt look right. The 66-67 triple and forks are 1mm smaller than the 65 and older. So original fender wont work with the newer triple. The triple on the bike is not original so may be PO found something else that would work.
May have later model forks ?????

You might keep Tim McDowell in mind he was a great help when I rebuilt my 77. [email protected] Lots of hard to find parts for the 77.

Nice find

Bill H
 
I believe the forks shown on the bike are Type 1, the early style and they match the vin number from the research I have done. The springs are internal and the seal is located in the chrome cup that screws off the fork bottom. I do have a set of Type II forks shown in the picture below, external springs and seal is accessible in the fork bottom, from what I understand they came on the later model CB77's after vin number 1030130 on. I have attempted to tear down one of the Type 1's and hit a road block immediately. I was able to remove the clip from the chrome cup and managed to get it unscrewed with some heat and a Honda fork tool I had forgotten I had in my stash, but it will not pull apart and and does not rebound without binding. I am pretty sure the enemy within is rust since there was substantial water in the whatever was in there claiming to be fork oil. I am letting it soak for a few days since I have run out of time for this weekend. I need to do some further research on the feasibility of installing the Type 11 forks into the triple tree and fender fitment issue. Right now I am pretty well "Forked Up", in reference to what path to go down. Worst come to worst, there are a couple sets of Type 1's on E bay currently. I am going to need a lot more money..........

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I love the 250/305 models, but the added age and even greater time having sat untouched makes for more of these rusted and bound-up parts, not to mention the used parts availability, condition and cost. But they are so cool once done right.
 
The older steel lower fork legs can be damaged by using too long of a bolt to the fender/ brake stay mounts. If the fork tubes are stuck in the lowers, it may be the problem. Hopefully repeated slide hammering action can get them apart.
I would diligently measure the hole depths and fastener lengths for assembly.

I know this from the older steel lower leg CB160s of similar design.
 
ballbearian said:
The older steel lower fork legs can be damaged by using too long of a bolt to the fender/ brake stay mounts. If the fork tubes are stuck in the lowers, it may be the problem. Hopefully repeated slide hammering action can get them apart.
I would diligently measure the hole depths and fastener lengths for assembly.
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Thank you kind Sir, I had seen that in another post. It was on the old 305 Forum, still some good information there when it is up and accessible......
 
jensen said:
Why don't you rebuild it yourself ?
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Age, eye site, and overall knowledge. I have done a few in the past and spend half of the time in service manuals and the other half on the internet looking at how it is supposed to be done. also sadly all of the machine shops have gone out business in my area except one, his wait time is at a minimum of 6 months. The builder has done two prior motors for me and I trust his work, he is not cheap, but it will be done right and that is why I write the check with a smile on my face.......
 
DSC05345.JPGDSC05348.JPGI am finding most things are not nearly as strong as they used to be, to include the old guy posting this. I cleaned the frame today, normally I would use my power washer, but it was buried in the shed behind everything I had put up for the winter, patio furniture, mowers, and all manner of summer things. I went to Wally World and purchased two cans of Gunk liquid, (probably should have bought the foam), but it had always done a decent job in the past. It barely loosened any grime even after I spent an hour or two with a wire brush in preparation for the cleaner. After a lot of scrubbing with Simple Green and car wash soap I got it fairly clean. It is still going to take a good wipe down with parts cleaner before beginning to sand for primer. I have been getting a few other pieces in primer but it seems this little motorcycle is growing new appendages when no one is around. Enjoying the process and I know I am doing at least a decent job, I had to take off my work clothes in the garage today before my Wife would grant admittance to the house......
 
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That is the one phase of any rehab that just grinds on and drags out - for some reason every time you turn around there’s something else that needs to be degreased or cleaned. I just found the starter for the GL and realized it somehow evaded capture earlier.
 
britman said:
I had to take off my work clothes in the garage today before my Wife would grant admittance to the house......
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I feel you, gotta add a shower to the dream garage so I don't have to change cloths every time I do a little work on the bike and walk back in the house. I don't think the girl appreciates the smell of old oil, grease, solvents, paint and all the other good smells that go into resurrecting an old car or bike. Can't wait to tear down the forks and see if they really used whale oil!
 
Pictures from my engine builder. Broken shift fork, right side compression ring broken, top engine cover on backwards, The gaskets appear to be coated with some type of contact cement that is a ***** to remove. The dowel pins for the head are not present, but they did insert the green rubber o rings. I am pretty sure the work was done by a Certified Honda Technician. Pistons are standard size so after a good cleaning he will decide on the bore. I can't believe it ran, and fairly well, in that state of repair........ He says he has seen much worst so waiting on him and the machine shop to do their magic......



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Lovely... can't say I've ever seen a broken shift fork, that takes some force. If a Certified Honda Tech did that work he needs to go back to Honda school, ugh. And get 40 lashes.
 
I decided to go blue on the seat to match the Planet Blue Metallic paint. I have that combination on my Dream and I like the look. I am starting to do some small bolt ups, speedo, tail light, so forth and going to really start putting everything back together in earnest this week. Motor should be ready in the next couple of weeks.......

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